Mark O

Couldn't resist this - 
 
Miller St. - Bowfield - Lugton - Stewarton - Fenwick - Galston - Prestwick/Troon - Dundonald - Gatehead - Kilmaurs - Stewarton then usual route back to Johnstone 
Plenty of bale outs on route home. Easily 60 miles. Mix of climbs, rolling roads and flat. 
 
Miller St. - A77 (various routes) - Eaglesham (via moor) - Jackton and south of East Kilbride - Strathaven (nice choice of Cafes) - Galston - Moscow/Waterside - A77 - Clunch Road - top end of Sewing Bee route - Barrhead - Miller St. Again 60+. Easily doable in reverse with the climb out of Eaglesham a killer with tired legs. EK and Jackton roads reasonably traffic free.
 
Miller St - Eastwood Toll (Barrhead option available) - A77 to Fenwick - Stewarton - Dunlop - Barrmill - Garnock Valley (choice of Kilbirnie Largs Road past the golf course or Swinlees Road) - Largs - West Kilbride - Dalry - B714 to Ardrossan - Kilwinning - then pick up the Bogs Bunch route to Barrhead/or pick up Barrmill circuit past the Bonds and take in the Bowfield.  Lumpy route in either direction.  70miles+. Darryl and I rode this in prep for Liege. Plenty of Bale outs for tired legs or those under time pressure. 
 
Kenny Christie's Dalmally/Inverary dawn raid? Meet at north side of Bridge - A82 to Tarbet - Tyndrum - Dalmally - Inverary - Tarbet or Helensburgh - Bridge. Lumpy and requires a very early start to avoid lochside and Inverary to the Rest traffic. Right turn for Dunoon an option. Big day out 100+ and some vertical bits
 
Finally...... Anything that takes in the Crow Road, Tak me Doon, Callander, Thornhill and Kippen in a single day
 
That's July sorted for you all.
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M

Been following this thread with a little interest. Seems to me it is getting complicated. Weighted points for winning/placing, based on distance are going to skew the outcomes to the point the league becomes meaningless. Place well in poorly supported 25s and then stand with a stop watch for the rest of the year could see you win the league, or have a higher league position than the keen rider who never places but turns out for every event. Surely that is counter to the aim of the thing - to increase participation in confined TTs. Paul and Billy's comments cover this pretty well without need for me to add anything. Also Jann's comment is quite telling.
 
To work the points need to be simple - points for turning up to ride, with additional points for placing (whatever these might be - 1st thru 5th) is all that matters. Weighted points for turning out for the less well attended events (25s and west ferry 10s) could be considered, but these can't be such that they skew the final outcome. My suggestion is that get 1 point for the Georgetown, 2 points for a 10 and say 5? points for a 25. Placing points should be equally tight if any difference at all between events. The most consistent and fastest riders should be at the top of the league, not the guy/girl who does 2 x 25s and/or then stands with a stopwatch.  Forget about points for timekeeping etc., or deductions if you don't. A simple rule if you don't do your bit then it gets noted on the league table for all to see. Assisting on events should be a condition of your membership/participation in the club. You shouldn't need rewarding for doing what is expected.
 
As for PBs, these should appear as riders aim to gain points against their nearest rivals, thus putting in the necessary effort. Additional PB points are unnecessary. A final bonus award could be given to the rider with the most PBs over the season, but not for each PB. This skews the league against the developed rider who might be consistently fast all season but won't see PBs every week in comparison to a developing rider who may well see his/her times come down every week through natural development. 
 
This may read as a bit of a poo poo to Alan's suggestion, it's not. I think a league structure is a good idea. However the points allocation, as proposed, is too wide ranging, unbalanced and now complicated, as are the coverall rules. Riding a 25 should not be a tap in for a top league position, but missing a 25 should not diminish all your other efforts. Standing with a stop watch or on a corner is a nil point effort, not standing with a stopwatch (at least once) is shameful. Turning out should be rewarded but should also consider external factors - work/family/holidays etc.
 
Just my thots
 
M

Been following this thread with a little interest. Seems to me it is getting complicated. Weighted points for winning/placing, based on distance are going to skew the outcomes to the point the league becomes meaningless. Place well in poorly supported 25s and then stand with a stop watch for the rest of the year could see you win the league, or have a higher league position than the keen rider who never places but turns out for every event. Surely that is counter to the aim of the thing - to increase participation in confined TTs. Paul and Billy's comments cover this pretty well without need for me to add anything. Also Jann's comment is quite telling.
 
To work the points need to be simple - points for turning up to ride, with additional points for placing (whatever these might be - 1st thru 5th) is all that matters. Weighted points for turning out for the less well attended events (25s and west ferry 10s) could be considered, but these can't be such that they skew the final outcome. My suggestion is that get 1 point for the Georgetown, 2 points for a 10 and say 5? points for a 25. Placing points should be equally tight if any difference at all between events. The most consistent and fastest riders should be at the top of the league, not the guy/girl who does 2 x 25s and/or then stands with a stopwatch.  Forget about points for timekeeping etc., or deductions if you don't. A simple rule if you don't do your bit then it gets noted on the league table for all to see. Assisting on events should be a condition of your membership/participation in the club. You shouldn't need rewarding for doing what is expected.
 
As for PBs, these should appear as riders aim to gain points against their nearest rivals, thus putting in the necessary effort. Additional PB points are unnecessary. A final bonus award could be given to the rider with the most PBs over the season, but not for each PB. This skews the league against the developed rider who might be consistently fast all season but won't see PBs every week in comparison to a developing rider who may well see his/her times come down every week through natural development. 
 
This may read as a bit of a poo poo to Alan's suggestion, it's not. I think a league structure is a good idea. However the points allocation, as proposed, is too wide ranging, unbalanced and now complicated, as are the coverall rules. Riding a 25 should not be a tap in for a top league position, but missing a 25 should not diminish all your other efforts. Standing with a stop watch or on a corner is a nil point effort, not standing with a stopwatch (at least once) is shameful. Turning out should be rewarded but should also consider external factors - work/family/holidays etc.
 
Just my thots
 
M

Been following this thread with a little interest. Seems to me it is getting complicated. Weighted points for winning/placing, based on distance are going to skew the outcomes to the point the league becomes meaningless. Place well in poorly supported 25s and then stand with a stop watch for the rest of the year could see you win the league, or have a higher league position than the keen rider who never places but turns out for every event. Surely that is counter to the aim of the thing - to increase participation in confined TTs. Paul and Billy's comments cover this pretty well without need for me to add anything. Also Jann's comment is quite telling.
 
To work the points need to be simple - points for turning up to ride, with additional points for placing (whatever these might be - 1st thru 5th) is all that matters. Weighted points for turning out for the less well attended events (25s and west ferry 10s) could be considered, but these can't be such that they skew the final outcome. My suggestion is that get 1 point for the Georgetown, 2 points for a 10 and say 5? points for a 25. Placing points should be equally tight if any difference at all between events. The most consistent and fastest riders should be at the top of the league, not the guy/girl who does 2 x 25s and/or then stands with a stopwatch.  Forget about points for timekeeping etc., or deductions if you don't. A simple rule if you don't do your bit then it gets noted on the league table for all to see. Assisting on events should be a condition of your membership/participation in the club. You shouldn't need rewarding for doing what is expected.
 
As for PBs, these should appear as riders aim to gain points against their nearest rivals, thus putting in the necessary effort. Additional PB points are unnecessary. A final bonus award could be given to the rider with the most PBs over the season, but not for each PB. This skews the league against the developed rider who might be consistently fast all season but won't see PBs every week in comparison to a developing rider who may well see his/her times come down every week through natural development. 
 
This may read as a bit of a poo poo to Alan's suggestion, it's not. I think a league structure is a good idea. However the points allocation, as proposed, is too wide ranging, unbalanced and now complicated, as are the coverall rules. Riding a 25 should not be a tap in for a top league position, but missing a 25 should not diminish all your other efforts. Standing with a stop watch or on a corner is a nil point effort, not standing with a stopwatch (at least once) is shameful. Turning out should be rewarded but should also consider external factors - work/family/holidays etc.
 
Just my thots
 
M

Conti 4 seasons for me Ginty. A little more expensive but worth it IMO. Easily two years out of a pair and good grip (important to some as sketchy as me in the corners). Had  pair 32mm on my winter bike, renewed with same earlier this year. Tried and tested on the pave of northern France too so will deal with Glaswegian genus of road surfaces.
 
M
 
PS stick the cost on your business expenses or claim it back through your tax. 

Thread titles of this nature should be banned from this forum as I find them offensive in the extreme. That aside, gotta be the best attempt at an alternative spelling of Haylie yet. 

Saturday for me Gents - suits my weekend plans. Usual coast ride but could be persuaded to do something different. 09.00 at miller street. Apologies for bumping Billy's post.
PS nae muddies required on Saturday

Apologies for my errant alarm clock. Have sacked my butler. Nice day for it again. Sneaked in a flat, brisk 50 down to the garnock valley and back. Met Ramsay and Elaine en route.
 
M

Apologies for my errant alarm clock. Have sacked my butler. Nice day for it again. Sneaked in a flat, brisk 50 down to the garnock valley and back. Met Ramsay and Elaine en route.
 
M

I see the Majorca trip has been holed below the water line. Nae luck gents. Anyway something to perhaps cheer you up.
 
For 2018, and I know it is a bit earlier and I have done zero homework on flights etc, however I am going to suggest the girosardegna (sorry don't seem to be able to paste a link - help!?!). A 6 day sportive Race/Tour which gives you a timed stage every day and not finishing every day doesn't stop you riding the next day. The tour option is kind of get and ride your bike stuff. 
 
I was going to suggest Sardinia as a destination for 2018 in any case 'cos it is a fantastic island, however my neighbour mentioned this to me. Seems to be something for all abilities, so not just for the main bunch/racer types.
 
Event is held in late April - weather is warm (18 - 20) deg, without being hot.
 
M

I see the Majorca trip has been holed below the water line. Nae luck gents. Anyway something to perhaps cheer you up.
 
For 2018, and I know it is a bit earlier and I have done zero homework on flights etc, however I am going to suggest the girosardegna (sorry don't seem to be able to paste a link - help!?!). A 6 day sportive Race/Tour which gives you a timed stage every day and not finishing every day doesn't stop you riding the next day. The tour option is kind of get and ride your bike stuff. 
 
I was going to suggest Sardinia as a destination for 2018 in any case 'cos it is a fantastic island, however my neighbour mentioned this to me. Seems to be something for all abilities, so not just for the main bunch/racer types.
 
Event is held in late April - weather is warm (18 - 20) deg, without being hot.
 
M

I see the Majorca trip has been holed below the water line. Nae luck gents. Anyway something to perhaps cheer you up.
 
For 2018, and I know it is a bit earlier and I have done zero homework on flights etc, however I am going to suggest the girosardegna (sorry don't seem to be able to paste a link - help!?!). A 6 day sportive Race/Tour which gives you a timed stage every day and not finishing every day doesn't stop you riding the next day. The tour option is kind of get and ride your bike stuff. 
 
I was going to suggest Sardinia as a destination for 2018 in any case 'cos it is a fantastic island, however my neighbour mentioned this to me. Seems to be something for all abilities, so not just for the main bunch/racer types.
 
Event is held in late April - weather is warm (18 - 20) deg, without being hot.
 
M

Just perfect sums it up.
 
Good to have Darryl back in the fold. Nice one Mr Gunson.

Just perfect sums it up.
 
Good to have Darryl back in the fold. Nice one Mr Gunson.

Just perfect sums it up.
 
Good to have Darryl back in the fold. Nice one Mr Gunson.

Can't tell you all how good that was for me! Perfect pace and conditions for my first group outing in nearly 5 months

Would be good to have you grace us with your presence Darryl.

Jaki,
 
Wind direction dependent but steady at this point would equate to in the region of 16-18 mph +/- 2mph. No daft surges or sprints and keeping it together on any ramps You're more than welcome to join us for all or part of the route. Circa 50 mile round trip back to Miller Street. It's more about the miles in the legs right now rather than eyeballs out speed.......or at least that's what I'm telling myself.
 
M

09.00 at the clubrooms

Pre bogs/winter riding part II - Sat 8th Oct. Steady run to Largs (and I mean steady, if you wanna go full gas get tae Arran with the Grumpel lad). Clubrooms 09.00. Coffee stop - usual place. Bonus prize of riding past me on the Haylie is optional.
 
Post if you fancy it.
 
M

Darryl, you have the distinct advantage of having a Steve Austin leg and a genuine note from your mum. I'm just soft and weak.........but thankfully my softness and weakness still resembles a cyclist shaped object, unlike Pilsbury Bison Boy who is so wide he has to have his own thread just to fit on to the forum.
 
Good to hear you're back in saddle. Hopefully catch up soon.
 
M

Right, I've been off the bike for nearly 5 weeks (2 of which I was on hols to be fair), so I'm guessing I'm incredibly un'bunch'fit. However, I'm intending riding the winter bogs bunch this year - 'cos it suits me time wise.  I am in need of motivation and some serious physical endeavour on my part to get myself back in the groove in order to ride at least as far as Largs at a decent pace before Paul McD starts posting for the winter bogs rides.
 
To this end I'm aiming to get out and put some miles in on Saturday mornings to build miles initially and then some pace. Any takers for steady miles, with some intervals/hills as deemed necessary, on the usual autumn/winter routes of a Saturday morning (coffee stops optional). No apologies for me being a little short on endurance and pace being tendered at this time. These will not be killer rides to start with. Happy to meet at Miller Street or anywhere east thereof.  
 
 
M

Right, I've been off the bike for nearly 5 weeks (2 of which I was on hols to be fair), so I'm guessing I'm incredibly un'bunch'fit. However, I'm intending riding the winter bogs bunch this year - 'cos it suits me time wise.  I am in need of motivation and some serious physical endeavour on my part to get myself back in the groove in order to ride at least as far as Largs at a decent pace before Paul McD starts posting for the winter bogs rides.
 
To this end I'm aiming to get out and put some miles in on Saturday mornings to build miles initially and then some pace. Any takers for steady miles, with some intervals/hills as deemed necessary, on the usual autumn/winter routes of a Saturday morning (coffee stops optional). No apologies for me being a little short on endurance and pace being tendered at this time. These will not be killer rides to start with. Happy to meet at Miller Street or anywhere east thereof.  
 
 
M

Right, I've been off the bike for nearly 5 weeks (2 of which I was on hols to be fair), so I'm guessing I'm incredibly un'bunch'fit. However, I'm intending riding the winter bogs bunch this year - 'cos it suits me time wise.  I am in need of motivation and some serious physical endeavour on my part to get myself back in the groove in order to ride at least as far as Largs at a decent pace before Paul McD starts posting for the winter bogs rides.
 
To this end I'm aiming to get out and put some miles in on Saturday mornings to build miles initially and then some pace. Any takers for steady miles, with some intervals/hills as deemed necessary, on the usual autumn/winter routes of a Saturday morning (coffee stops optional). No apologies for me being a little short on endurance and pace being tendered at this time. These will not be killer rides to start with. Happy to meet at Miller Street or anywhere east thereof.  
 
 
M

So it's all over Argles Gazhot is a fantastic place to stay if you want to hit the iconic climbs of the tour . IMO the roads are much better than Majorca and there are plenty of local sportives in the area Haut Route plus a Marrmotte to name a few .
So a quick resume of our week
Day 1
Cloudy day in the valley so we just thought in true JWCC tradition to miss the warm up and ride the Hautacam which was sort of nice as it wasn't overly hot after some time waiting for me we descended into thick cloud which made visibility practically zero, after a few k it cleared up , at the bottom we rode round towards cartress and decided that was enough for day 1
 
Day 2
Hot and sunny so what else Solour Abusique cracking climbs and the bike bikes look the part , Couttie managed to overtake two motorcycles on the way but great fun, we then decided to go back to Solour and go down into the back valley fantastic descent but long , talking about 45 minutes or so at the bottom it was really hot and we found Spandelles, this is not a well known climb but it is an absolute b####### don't know if it was the heat or the vultures circling above my head but I died a thousand deaths on this climb and eventually had to get off and walk , which gave the others great amusement as it took me close to an hour extra to get to the top
 
Day 3
Massive thunder storms so we ( me and Couttie ) went to Lourdes weird place
Day 4
Tourmalet Croix Blache cracking ride up over the tourmalet the descent was fantastic missed lunch by ten minutes the road round to Lourdes via Croix Blanche
 
Day 5
Big day for the boys they road up to Garni something but I decided against it and came back but took a wrong turn and ended up the Louis Ardeden brilliant descent no cars only locked up once due to being nackered
 
Day 6
 
Run over to Point Espagne for me Couttie and Al decided to do Ardeden on way back
 
Fantastic trip cheers to Daryl for finding this place plus found out that a 36 27 is too big for here