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We need to take a bit more care before the west ferry. Going through the roundabout and up the on ramp is not the final 300 metres in the Tour de France from Rivoli onto the Champs Elysees. If there is a car on the roundabout then the bunch should be stopping for it not riding through. However only 3 stopped tonight! The speed is such that if guys at the front had slammed on their brakes then others may go into the back of them so I can understand why it was (arguably) the safe choice to make by then but that to me suggests that on the final part of the downhill we should be easing slightly instead of trying to keep as much speed and momentum as possible for going up the drag. Same thing applies on the downhill before the Crosslee roundabout. You cannot see what is coming until it is too late. I'm as guilty as anyone for going fast through that if im on the front but i'm going to try and be more safety conscious from now on. Anyway what was the scores? Kom - i think Sam, Marc, Galeb then who? Sprint - Marc, Sam, Me, Billy, Galeb

If you would like something punchier and shorter than the fast/long bunch ride then this is it . Non-stop 45 miles or so. Route around the coast, depending on who turns up maybe via old largs road. Departing 9.00am from BoW lights (the ones closer to Kilmacolm). Post if you would like to join.

Or we could just neutralise it until the goergetown sprint? Think we just need to slow down at any junction or roundabout. Also size of group doesn't help.

John / Darryl just thinking that weekend would be best due to bank holiday. Can look at other dates, maybe another weekend in Aug but would mean driving up early, cycle same day and back down Sunday. sure we can discuss tonight or this weekend

Saturday this week for me phew!

I think I was just after Galeb on the KoM but nobody seemed to notice