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Jan Totally agree but don’t think it fits in with a Tuesday night, think it fits in with a Saturday or a Sunday and a longer ride, when I ran the 25 as an CTT event we had 30 plus riders , my point is mainly about the club members not being that interested in racing so moving the goals and racing on a rough surface rather than a road will that encourage people to race . I don’t think so but you won’t know until you try it .